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Pages 3-5:
Response from the Historical Office of the Office of the Secretary of
Defense to Henry Kissinger’s request for information regarding civilian
casualties in Cambodia
Page 7:
U.S. Army Report of Inquiry into reports of civilian casualties due to B-52
strikes in Base Area 740, Cambodia, May 16–20, 1970
Pages 9-14:
U.S. Army Report of Investigation, attack on the village of Doun Rath,
Cambodia, August 1969
Pages 16-17:
U.S. Army memorandum on “Alleged Helicopter Shootings” in the villages
of Sre Kandal and “Moroan” [Mroan], May 1970
Page 19:
U.S. Army Summary Report of Investigation into an attack on the village of
Tralok Bek, March 1969
Pages 21-35:
“Brooks Incident,” Report of Investigation into “firing incident” — the
killing of civilians and looting of a village — by U.S. and South Vietnamese
military personnel in Cambodia, May 18, 1970
Pages 37-38:
“Brooks Incident,” Final Summary by the Vietnam War Crimes Working
Group, May 1, 1972
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Response from the Historical
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of Defense to Henry Kissinger’s
request for information regarding
civilian casualties in Cambodia
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Memo for A. Goldberg.
Subject: Civilian Casualties in Cambodia
Tam not aware of any official estimate of civilian casualties produced by US air
operations in Cambodia 1969-73. Thomas’ Thayer estimated 65,000 civilians killed in
North Vietnam by about 800,000 tons of air ‘munitions 1965-73. Since about 600,000
tons of air munitions were expended in Cambodia, an estimate of 50,000 civilians killed
there might not be too far off.
Cambodia and North Vietnam were «comparable in size, but the population of North
Vietnam was more than twice that of Cambodia even before Pol Pot's genocidal regime-
18 million in North Vietnam versus 7 million in Cambodia. While North Vietnam was
sending its troops to South Vietnam, a civil war like the one in Cambodia was not raging
within the borders of North Vietnam. On the other hand, B-52 area bombers accounted.
for a much higher proportion of bomb tonnage in Cambodia than in North Vietnam--two-
thirds in Cambodia versus a quarter in North Vietnam,
During 1969-73 in Cambodia, it was difficult for reporters in Phnom Penh to estimate the
proportion of civilian casualties caused by air operations. There is no doubt that most of
those casualties occurred in 1973. Pol Pot’s forces laid siege to Phnom Penh while cease-
fire agreements in Vietnam and Cambodia permitted American air power to focus on
Cambodia. Reporters in Phnom Penh could see that many nearby villages had been
destroyed by bombing. According to the American air commander, General Vogt, those
villages had already been vacated by civilians fleeing into the city. His forces were using
a range of intelligence sources (including infrared sensors) to determine which villages
were occupied. The worst error occurred at Neak Luong, where more than a hundred
civilians were killed when a B-52 crew failed to calculate an offset and dropped on a
beacon in the town.
~The attached CHECO report describes the command and control arrangements for
bombing Cambodia in 1973. For arrangements used during covert bombing 1969-70, see
the attached book by Bernard Nalty, especially pages 129-133.
Wayne Thompson
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U.S. Army Report of Inquiry into
reports of civilian casualties due
to B-52 strikes in Base Area 740,
Cambodia, May 16–20, 1970
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CONFIDENTIAL |
1. HQ CONDUCTING DNVESIZGATICN: US Army Advisory/Group — IT CTZ z
5. QONPIDIG TITIE OF ASD: Report of Inquiry —/B-52 Strikes in Base Area
70 Sa EE he
5. CLASSTFIOATION: CONFITENTIAL/NOFORN __/. a
4. DATE (S) OF INCIDENT INVESTIGATED: 16 A 20 May 1970 i» .
5. UNIT CONCERNED: oR verre fo L Say
4. PLACE OF IIOIDENT: YKRXXXKE Cambodia. .
oz Shim a
4. SMGURY OF TNESTICATION/IN-UIR{: _ Inquiry into reports of civilians
Killed/wounded by B-52 strikes in Cambodia.
Conclusions: A unmown number of civilians were wounded/iclled by Bus? strikes
4n Base ares 710. Montagnards were mobile and their haslets ere not accurately
reflected on comonly used maps. Solstiun payments have been made to SuTVANOr
of known dead and to identified wounded. in. meee
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CONFIDENTIAL //2/ 2 #74
U.S. Army Report of Investigation,
attack on the village of Doun Rath,
Cambodia, August 1969
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MILITARY DOCUMENTS COMPILED BY THE INTERCEPT
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1 3 RADE EPARTIENT Gt . 1
CPC oy CAVALRY BIVIStON (morc
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: TH Retort of Davesttpetion (6) !
Commandtog Genera) " i
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Ant Covel pivision (izmobile} 1
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I. Authority 1
Ae (U) The lavestigation of this incident of cstottsn border 1}
Violation was sonoma oy anootty 3% LT PTE Contigatelel assege Cite 3
umber AVEC gOPSTL, pe] 2 host 3969. (Soe Bxhibit 1)
8. (U) The investigation to LYC Hubert Borris, Inspector
General, let Chvalzy Divieion (Ammobilesy by verbal direction af" the Com oe
manding Generel through the Chief of Staff.
II. Matters Investigated a
he (C) Matters investigetod wore tuo separete but related lncidenmts of C
alleged border violation in shich US/ARVN helicoptors allegedly attacked the ~(
Village of Doun Rathy Noung Cosine, Misot District, Kompong Chen Provinces
Cambodis. (Sve Exhibit 1)e
117, Background
fo (U) The village of Coun Rath fe reported to be located st coordinates
XT 267995. This location pleces it in tho near vieiuity of the Conbodimn/
South Vietasnese border,
B. (U) The South Vietnam area contiguous to this sogaent of the
Cambodian border lies in the sree of operations of the lst Brigade of the
1st Cavalry Division (Almobile)s (See Behibit 2)e
C. (C) Recent contact with enemy forces in this eres of operation smd
known infiltration of Forth Vietnsmose and Viet Cong forces have necessitated
tactics to negate these activities, One such action is iy ev af URI
This 1s a teem of two helicopters. One iu a Uiiel utility helicopter with
standard K-60 machine gune mounted in the door firing tracer emminition. Also
on board 4s © Xenon high intensity light aligned to @ night observation deviess
wrismAvan 4 3 YTAR TYTERVALS
TT) A¥TER 12 YEARS REE ——.
BUD DI3 5200.10 5 5 TRE —— 5
Ai CONFIDENTIAL
iy Raport of Tnvestigation pe opaber HS) z
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a7 of tha tosn 1s en /iel0 (Cub) amed hellsopter G7
Lai Ln TE RR ee Bie LL
LE melomand of Bess amt oon hatte Shere hits 1
I RE SL een Si Bid
Blots an stundted nilitnxy ss sitiiEi0 een to ba segrchad, 30
Basticules area 15 wich Piha, Tos ms epazetng oie Di pine. a
‘August 20d the moxning of ‘migiat vas a Free Fixe Zones, Tesgeid $3 | na
Bis ae uly be gee, dotemination that no are dn
ee 4 atsclon wis manitonsd by redux tive Landing Zong Grats Gos
Exhibit 2). ou 9 fupinke tha HE ein an to the ards
bo searched, Fo 7d of the presise gress 1s available. The noxthem
conten vas weg ayproxtastaly ooe wile south of Bis Folly
todos, This fs supported the. wtatament of PEC Brache, the Madar Dpertar
at Lz Grant. (See 2 3]. The boas ox sxess to be seszched had,
rund to this zedar site end were plotted un the radar SFC The yedar
eh tomed. the FLL ad provided hesdinges 1s SEUITC Cn
victors, to the “Highthewk™ Yeas. The roder seo provided guidance fzom one
Er A ta postition the aizcratt vidhta, the Shor ind 4 FEOLCL
BH ton oe. tothe Jogatian of the sizasaft in sep TefSlstiChy
advisory afomation 06, shea the aircraft wes Ln the poxisiSY of
Gonbodian border, The det Brigade ntel1igeses cusmary (Exhibit 4) shows
that at 2200 hours Highthank xvod six (6) ughts and ten (10) ving
structuresy eed trie wn 7 of G20 SALE et
Gaged the area with 7.6mm meine oun &nd Oo tach sockets. The report
Pied 3 structures destroyed and the lights extinguished, The statements
02 the crow (Exhibits Dy 6 7 € 8) very soaeshitt in their description of
$a Three action et epprocdsataly 2250 ae They easentislly sgreo that
Hiente wera seen end they wont to Lavestigate, arrent Cfficor Tanngeotess
operator of the might vicion device, states (Exhibit 6) that upon seedng the
Sights thay proceeded to investigate. Tha generel dirvetion wes northward
hte He border, AG this tine they had positive redur controle Upon
arriv ore ex tho 1ighke ho mitehed on the Yemon bch dataoetey
light, 10 en attempt to idintify structures, and/or drew fire, The
covreniigits 10 80 A mado a Firing mn but the 7.62 etliog pUrtiRLlY
malfunctioneds - (Cobra) foe ut this time and both aircraft returaed to Tau
Tieng to refusl and reer. rorant Officer Tanngeotes further states that
Then 40 cele ress they wore again eisbome snd began to Meare) Ti
"box" 100 to 0200 hours Hwy Toturned So the axed share they had provicsly
soan the lights. At this tino, the lights were 8gein uminge The xenod
Light was used and buildings were identified, ‘The Cobre engaged with rockets
and machine qubs. There was no retum fim. Fuel and swoundtion were low
ond the sircraft returned to home station. ‘There are contasdictions in the
statements of the crow of the “Nighthewk” when gonpared to the statements of
tho radar oporatorse The crue of the “Highthank® aircraft states that redar
ei ned them that they wers within tho borders of South Vietnam. (See
Exhibits 6, 7s + B)e The two radar operators state that the aircraft wes in
ARITA
CONFIDENTIAL
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wm. VUNEIDEN UAL
MRICS Ryport of etn an 2 fepteabor 1969
the tnasatats
Stites Bro] ity ofy, en 4b times drifted over, the border. (See
Lot Brigade Tote The Actual coordinates of the strike 8s reported on the
ITER Betas matte ene marta ecatian of ain village to ve XT 247008,
80 locations plat spproximately 1,000 meters apart. Thon Henibit De
We Conalustans
Ae (0) ‘The Sighthawk airopate did 8 target fn the vielnl
the chine, Tn Mishra stiurats dd saphena
B. (U) These Ls no the Wghthid
Ca is JI0HAIYe pot tat o tight grew knowingly
pe ele Dn Sr 0 RT
rence
hours of darkness. by Sate "
De (U) Tho Sighthads was onder redex surveidlange dusing the alsaione
2. (U) The sireraft comswnder exoreiesd poor Judguant Lo engaging 8
target under these C4rCUNSTANGOss
J. Recommendations.
A (U) No disetpiinary action be taken.
5. (UA cysten of chacke over known Land marks visible at night be
conducted by Highthawc and radar prior to apeating ino proatalty of the
Cambodian border.
CL. (C) let Cavalry Divksian secret message, cits tunbin 9722110, data
9 iug 69, which restricts operation of airersft tn 1 ia stand off distance
Fron the border be given continuous command attention to prevant futura
incidentss
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9 Incl HUBERT MORRIS
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Inspactor Genaral
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Grang, Ne niga 3)
re ei LSE IME pide op SIE Sek ginR, Tay Ninh and 12
Pedi Cor cp Sound LECT 50 hewn him clear of artillery. Then I
0X north-west. of LZ Grant.
Wail
Hawk a on ie hin ground tie edge of the box (eastern woundry) I gave Nignt
Ey, clots te a from 360° to 270°, The turn took him north of the northern Bound-
01d his Tig the Cambodian border. hile trying to get. him back to the box, he
a is Tien Bin (she snore sevmmntre him) that he thougat he saw a ligat. K
his time I advioed bin that ho was clos to he Cambodian border, and he rogered
RY transmission. Night fa snd Tiger started circling. I was receiving a bad
Sarget on the two aircraft, about the same time I advised him that he appeared to
Be’ over the Wordr. 1 donit, rensmber 1% he rogered my transmission, but I beleiv
he did. Ab one time I told him he was over the border. A few minutes later Nigh
eo a oe Ee cok awe winolings, I sivised Lim © eouldng give St n87
grid as he vas flying too large a circle. I gave whit I thought to oe the center
orev Ta Jor aroma a fou minutes more, then went back to the box.
I don't remember either aircraft fireing. The 2 aircraft (Night Hawk and lb.
gun ship) usually talked to each other over our frequency, so that Night Hawk Wo
oe in constant contact with GCA.
I do remember that the grid I gave Night Hawk was on the 25 vertical grid
line.
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SP5 RUGBEN K. PALMAR
GCA Watch Supervisor, LZ Grant
ATC Platoon H:C, llth avn Go
1st Cay Div (AM)
30 Aug 69
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Extract of lst Bde INTSUM #222
11 August 1969
C&D co ang
09 2200 XT 275975: Obs 10 x hooches, 6 x Lights, zeceived speredic unk
type fire. Eng with 7.62mm and 75 x 2.75" rocket flechettes. Dest 3 x
hooches and lights went out.
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CONFIDENTIA
SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION/ INQUIRY/ INSPECT ION
a UNIT: 229th Assault Helicopter Battalion and 11th Combat Aviation
roup.
2. LOGATION: Village of Doun Rath, Roung Commune, Miuvot District, Komp
Cham Province, Cambodia. oo ais ge
3. DATES: 9-10 August 1969.
4. (C) ALLEGATION/PURPOSE: Two separate but related incidents of alleged
border violation in which US/ARVN helicopters allegedly attacked a Cambodian
village.
5. (U) SOURCE: Il Field Forces message 0805712 Aug 69 (U).
6. (U) FINDINGS:
2. The Nighthawk aircraft did engage a target in the vicinity of the 3
Cambodian border which could have been the village of Doun Rath. ~ ['
b. There is no conclusive proof that the Nighthauk crew Knowingly
engaged a target in Cambodia. i A
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c. The definition of the border in the proximity of the fncident is
impossible to ascertain with accuracy by visual reference during the hours
of darkness. ia
4. The Nighthawk was under radar surveillance during the mission.
o. The aircraft commander exercised poor judgement fin nee ging a target
under the prevailing circunstances:
7. (@ 18 ACTION: The Inspector GeneralirEcameRseeNTIR
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2. (WU) No disciplinary action be taken
b. (U) A system of checks over k dm isible at night be
conducted by Nighthawk and radar priof erating fn the proximi¥ L
Cambodian border. 8
CL SEGRET message, Cite number 9F22110, dated
c. (C) lst Cavalry Division SECRET WORREREL 5) 5p el a
9 Aug 69, which restricts ope Ts pO
from tne border be given co i r
incidents.
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U.S. Army memorandum on “Alleged
Helicopter Shootings” in the villages
of Sre Kandal and “Moroan” [Mroan],
May 1970
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- 2 ou 18 Nay 1970 at 1102 hrs, Wi Atraismsen, 53, 1/11th ARs hai
3 approximately 30 civilians at XU 267212 traveling south on & sha, Akl
By % 0, € Troop, 1/11th ACR stopped the refugees and interrogated i
or Ccumbonien civilims fron the village Of Bh See Kamiily | iid]
0 D525. They had aft their village on 17 Nay and bees SCTE Rl
to Memat, vie XU 2907. ved that on 3 May 1970 af 1700 kre & AEN
ex ‘of unknown 758 yg roported thet on 2 Hee Sia. Thay. “Fines. aa
Fevightened wna started to Tus, at viich tize the BEVICORCEC He
A y fire Tires pele rv tllesely turd 38 LASS) dl Sa |
ire. figitemrter ett pore egedly received shrapnel wounds. :
§ They $hat 1 burn victim later dled. OPT Buzeh, surgeon, 1/11%h 3
Te ees persons ia the refugee group for buims. lo cl40 Lresiel 1
one man for an infected wound, ‘which could have been ‘caused by shrapnel. ”
: The refugees were given further medical aid as required i
i; for injuries unrelated to the alleged shooting. After they were be
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to 3. A615 hea on 20 Nay 1970 a group of epprexiastely 2) SET ti
© sprout ia at11top, vie TU 3409. They desired to Tetum io their
aX Ee aak of Ta aroun, vie TU 4408. They here been Jiving dn Sie 08° CC
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© villages They repo that on the morning of i May 1970, 4 om 3 hell- 85
WW. copters of an uh type circled their village of Fi Moroes, The « Ti
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© gmoutel, The reinin ra reported that they attempted to return
FH fillage on 18 May, but were turned back by US soldiers. They
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U.S. Army Summary Report of
Investigation into an attack on the
village of Tralok Bek, March 1969
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MILITARY DOCUMENTS COMPILED BY THE INTERCEPT
SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION/ INQUIRY/ INSPECTION
(Investigation was conducted by HQ, 25th Infantry Division)
I. (U) UNIT: 269th Combat Aviation Battalion, 3d Squadron, 17th
Cavalry, 7th Battalion, IIth Artillery and Ist Battalion, 27th Artillery.
2. (U) LOCATION: Tralok Bek Village, Daung Commune, Romeas Hek District,
Svay Bieng Province, Cambodia. 7
3. (U) DATES: 13-15 March 1969.
4. (0) ALLEGATION/PURPOSE: To determine the facts and circumstances
concerned with Cambodian protests fo the US that at 0930 and 1130 hours,
21 Feb 69, twenty-two helicopters landed troops around Tralok Bek Village,
Cambodia, and that four helicopters and two observation aircraft, supported
by mortars, then overflew and fired rockets af the village resulting in two
women being wounded.
5. (U) SOURCE: Message, CG, Il F Force V, LBN, AVFB-RE 030254, DTG 011040
Mar 69, subject: Cambodian Border Incidents.
6. (C) FINDINGS:
a. The allegation was not substantiated.
b. The helicopters landed troops at an LZ well with the RVN.
c. All firing done during the morning of 21 Feb 69 was directed against
targets within the RUN.
d. All firing in the afternoon was within RVN except at 1315 hours when
artillery fired into Cambodia In response to enemy initiated small arms fire
and at 1452 hours when the artillery fired In response fo enemy initiated
mortar fire from Cambodia.
7. (U) IG ACTION: Recommended that findings be approved and that copies
of ROI be forwarded to II F FORCE, V.
8. (U) UNIT ACTION: None indicated.
9. (U) ADDITIONAL ACTION: None indicated.
10. (U) FOLLOW UP: None indicated.
“Brooks Incident,” Report of
Investigation into “firing incident” —
the killing of civilians and looting
of a village — by U.S. and South
Vietnamese military personnel in
Cambodia, May 18, 1971
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MILITARY DOCUMENTS COMPILED BY THE INTERCEPT
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7 TVEINHATANGD
MEADQUARTERS
THIRD REGION asians comunn
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4 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL
MACTR-IG
SUBJECT: Report of Invest
vestigation Concerning Firing Incident/Accider tof
ot Squadron, 9th Cavalry, in. the Bepibise of ceric yt °F A Teor,
Somanging Gesera
leglonal Assis
inn: Rotlonal dasiatance Comant
APO 96266
I.(V) AUTHGRITY.
1. This investigation was conducted during the period 10 June 1971 to
4 September 1971 by LTC John W. Mantooth, Deputy Inspector General, at
Headquarters Third Regional Assistance Command ETON Long Binh, Vietnam,
pursuant to a directive from the Acting Deputy Commander, TRAC, 10 June 1971
(EXHIBIT RED T4B 4).
II(C). MATTERS INVESTIGATED.
2. This investigation was concerned with an alleged firing incident/accident
reported to have occurred during an aerial reconnaissance mission of A Troop,
1st Squadron, 9th Cavalry, (4/1-9 Cavalry), in the vicinity grid coordinates
WU 521048, Republic of Cambodia, on 18 May 197) (EXHIBIT RED TAB H-1).
III(C). BACKGROUND.
3. On or about 18 May 1971, 4/1-9 Cavalry, while conducting an aerial recon-
naissance mission in Cambodia, became engaged in a firing incident in a
Cambodian village or hamlet which possibly vas being used es an enemy resupply
or transfer point. During the course of ensuing events; approximately 6 adult
males vere killed; approximately 2 Cambodian children were killed; 15 to 20
Cambodian civilians were wounded; 3 or 4 buildings destroyed; 15 or 20 bicycles
and motorcycles were destroyed; one unidentified individual taken into custody
for interrogation; a US Army Captain accompanied an ARVN Ranger Platoon into
the area and removed a motorcycle; and the ARVN team members looted the area.
4 contact report was submitted on 18 May 1971 to the TRAC, tactical operation
center. However, subsquent debriefings and inquiries, by a series of imvesti-
gating officers, indicated that mmerous facts concerning the incident had
been onitted, thus culiiinating in the requirement for a formal investigation
of the incident.
Group
9
0 Down graded of
RENTIAL Pomgesdl
Aa TIDENT Bgeer Gwin
NAT GLILLIN RAR a.
/ MACTR-TG
SUBJECT: Report, of Tayest.
tigation Concerning Firing Inoident/Accident of
4 Toop, Lat Squadron, Stn Caveley, in the ROPMSLLY of Gemtatia (1)
4 m0). VIDE.
4s Journal, 63, ng
fe re pr Er
eat and establish the approximate time and location (EXHIBIT RED TAE 5).
2: USARY Regulation 525-7, dated 7 May 1970, Tibes the procedures to be
Lolloved when combat. actios of US Army units/elensnts caine Geathy injury or
, froperty damage to civilian porsomel. This regulation defines a firing
7 cident as an oocurrince caused by any type weapons fire which occurs in the
gourse of military operations resulting in civilian casualities or property
» damage. A major accident/incident is an ocourrknce which results in loss of
life, orippling injuries to personnel or property damage in the amount of
$500.00 or more. The regulation requires that all US Army Commands, Units,
Elonents, Detachnents, or Agencies stationed in Vietnam will transmit spot
Teports of firing incidents/accidents by electrical means within 12 hours of
occurrence (EXHIBIT RED T45 E).
6. Msg. MACTR-G30P, HQ TRAC, 110615Z June 1971, Subject, Spot Reports, forward-
ed information contained in Journal entries referenced in para 4 above to
MACY COC Saigon Vietnam (EXHIBIT RED TAB F). :
7. MACV Directive 335-12, dated 30 September 1970, prescribes the Tespon-
sibilities and procedures for expeditious reporting of significant information
to the MACY Command Center. Significant events include all incidents, accidents
resulting in a major property destruction or loss, or the killing, wounding, or
mistreating of a friendly personnel by US or Republic of Vietnam Armed Forces
(EXHIBIT RED TAB G).
8. Photograph, FYJ3120, HQ 460th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing, 17 June 1971
shows the area taken under attack on south side of road. The destroyed build-
ings are visible (EXHIBIT RED T4B H).
9. Photograph of Suzuki motorcycle, SN KIO 52-3984, removed from area of the
alleged firing incident/acoident (EXHIBIT RED TB I).
10. MAGV Directive 381-24, dated 1 August 1969 extablishes procedures for the
proper handling, reporting, and disposition of captured enemy material. This
directive defines captured material as any article of supply or equipment
taken from the enemy forces in any manner. It defines the responsibility for
recovery and evacuation of captured enemy material as a command responsibility
at all levels, The prescribed method of evacuation is through normal logistic
channels, this directive defines exploitation as the examination, snalysis,
evaluation, intelligence production, and use of captured material for imtellige
purposes. Exploitation of captured enemy material by US units, below the level
of division and separate brigade, is limited. Their primary responsibility is
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11. MACY Directive sok
3 1 Yay 1971, defines the rules of =
2pplies specifically to Fold copters. (RCITAIT RED Tab By
12. LTC Carl A Putnam, Squa roan
19 Yay 197, iar Richard by Optsommnr Teton dommes: SRSA et 1
hitted a written report to him (EIEISIR BLUE TAB BY of A firing incident
Cambodia that occurred on 16 May 1971, Ho further testilied thas during
Sena Jeiietings tint additional unreported disturbing facts came to his
lninesing in he etuess on 37 Tog TT bh COL Hoorih Torn thy opted |
ing Officer, 12th Combat Aviation Group (GAG), to appoint an investigating
officer from outside the 1-9 Cavalry Squadron. He further stated COL Fern
appointed MAJ James R. Rafferty, Executive Officer 3rd Squadron, 17 Cavalry.
£7¢ “00k Putnam readily admitted accepting a motorcycle at the 1-9 Cavalry stand-
dom party on 23 May 1971, and operating it on Di An Post. Fe testified i
‘that at the time of acceptance he did not know it was connected with this ;
bon um lent considered the vehicle as a war trophy (EXHIEITS
13, LIC Harbin 4, Constance, Deputy Commander, 12th CAG, testified that on
27 Yay 1971 that he relayed instructions from COL Fern to MAJ Rafferty to
investigate an alleged firing incident in Cambodia, involving A/1-9 Cavalry
and prepare a fact shoet with supporting statements on which COL Fern could
base a decision of the need to initiate a formal investigation. le further
testified that he gave the instructiong tc Nas Rafferty and that he He coL
. Fern forgot these exact nstruotionsCiniing ‘the interim period from‘dtirt to
completion of, the report. He further stated that COL Fern and he were
initially dfsmtisfied with MAJ Rafferty's efforts, but that viewed in retrospect,
MAT Bree had satisfactorily accomplished his assigned mission (EXHIBIT
RED T4B B-2).
14. MAJ James R. Rafferty, Executive Officer, 3-17 Cavalry testified that,
. LIC Constance informed him on 27 May 1971, that COL Fern desired him to conduct
an informal investigation of a firing incident in Cambodia involving A/1-9
Cavalry and to prepare a fact sheet on which COL Fern could base a decision
for a requirement for a formal investigation, He further testified that vhen
ho arrived at the 1-9 Cavalry, on 29 May 1971, he found MAJ Chole had already
taken statements from all personnel concerned, so he re-swore the’ personnel
‘to their statements and questioned the respondents about them, but did not
record verbatim testimony as he saw no reason to do so in light of the
instructions he had received. MAJ Rafferty stated he was thoroughly familiar
vith Air Cavalry Operations in Cambodia, the rules of engagement, and ete
and that he Satsc nothing unusual about this mission, with the exception
> of CFI Amold H. Eooks having accompanied the ARVN Rangers on their growid
surveillance portitn of the mission, He further stated that since CPT Brooks
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v 4 Troon, 15% Suan, th Savalng, in Lhe TePULLD of Cambetia (1
had been reprimand
I Esme SE,
15. OFM Gifford I. Knight, 4/1-9 Cava: o "low bird" on
© 187ay 2971, made o nite A = or Ae le RE
Aeneas Az8 in nia View Recomatasanca (VR) sectcs vier fo spotted
Putazeus bioyeles and notorycles, a fa of wiloh had packs, around sone
= attempted to investigate their presence in this erea, Mhen
‘e personnel in the area refused to cooperate, he requested rocked fire be
Placed in an open £161d to attempt to draw out any enemy that might be in
‘the area. He further stated that the personnel started leaving the area
acting susplelously, and as he returned to the area he Teceived ground to
eir fire (CAF) from 'his right rear and reported this to the “high bird" vio
«dived in and rocketed the area, He stated he again geturned and spol
v5 bodies, 18 bicycles and 4 motor bikes pik and 2 tin build-
i, nines destroyed, her stated his er shot" another military age male, wh wey
when the TRAC estigating {cer warned CFT Knight of his rights under
« Artiele 31, UCMJ, and advised him of his rights to counsel, CFT Knight requested
counsel ,and-refused to make—anyfurkher—sbatenent On advice from his gout defo
(EXHIEIT BLUE T4B T and EXHIBIT RED TAB B-4)s #0 mnths are) froithon alobomert
16. SB, Vernon J. Gregory Jr., A/1-9 Cavalry, testified that he was an observer
on the "low bird" flown by CFT Knight and that they spotted numerous bicycles
in the area under quegtion. He stated that when they attempted to determine
7 what was in the packs,in accordance with practices they had previously used,
that the personnel in the area were uncooperative and that CPT Knight requested
the "high bird" to place fire near the area, which he did. He further stated
that the "igh bird" then rocketed the area and that when they returned to
the area he only personally observed ome body. He stated ho observed nothing
unusual about this mission (EXHIEIT BLUE TAB H and RED TAB B-5). A
17. SE, John A. Nicholes, A/1-9 Cavalry, was a gunner on the "low bird"
flown by CPT Knight, Ho testified he heard GAF and that the appearance of the
area lead hin to believe they had spotted a YO bigele convoy. SP, Micholes,
in adaftion, tostified thet ho hot one wilttery age male vearlng ial punta
nd a long sleeve khaki shirt, vith his H-60 machine gun that was mowsted in
he_"ow—bErd Ril they Word making their assessment of danage,after the
"high bird" had rocketed the area (EXHIEIT BLUE TAB K and RED TAB B-6).
18. CPT David P. Schweitzer, 4/1-9, the aircraft commander of the "high bird",
+ testified that at approximately 1230 hours §8 May 1971, the "Low bird" reported
sighting several bicycles and motorcycles with packs in an area he had recon-
noitred for several days previously, He further testified that he checked
with the Vietnamese—INO-when he received a request fo fire and received per-
nission to place fire in an adjacent open area near the sighting in en attempt
to draw out any enemy that might be present and to cause any civilians present to
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SUBJECT: Report
* RORent of Investigation Gomoerning Firing Tactdent/Acctdent. of
P, 18% Squadron, 9th Cavalry, in the Republic of Cambodia (U)
‘take cove
/ atuarter Placing the fire dn the open area, the "Low brd¥ workin
BE gam etumed to the ares and reported receiving Eromd to ar five (41F).
/ i er fostified he thon rocketed and strafed the area, opening up the
bulliings ao FIs Trou sire oukt sen testament oe he
| peluested insertion of an ARVN Ranger tean te attempt to find two individuals
\_ fnperted to be hiding in tho area, and that when the ARVN Rangers arrived in
v © area he fired preparation fire for them immediately prior to their in-
sertion. He stated that a misalignment of his rocket tubes caused him to
fire so elose to one of UE 1 helicopters carrying the ARVN Rangers that the
helicopter vas forced to go around again before landing. He stated he vas
unavare that the ARVN Rangers did not have ground to air commmnications when
they were inserted (EXHIEIT BLUE TAB L and ED TAB B-7).
19. CPT Bentley C. Humphrey, 4/1-9 Cavalry, testified that he was flying the
"high bird" with CPT Schweitaer. His an concerning the events up to
the point of insertion of the ARVN Rangers was essentially the same as CFT
Schweltzer's testimony, CFT Humphrey testified that he was in Tay Ninh when
ers returned and that the ht back civil: key —
chickens, pocket combs, wallets Tian g, and numerous items of non-
“ar ma tebIaT. Fo Turthor statei ohet 1s vas 4 souton scomerence™s
Rangers to 1 an area when they were inserted (EXHL LUE TAB M and RED
CS TTT I em
20, CPT Thomas C. Uzanski, 4/1-9 Cavalry, testified that he was the mission
commander for this mission and “2 on board the "C and C", Wl 1 helicopter,
v/ being furnished by the 229th Asstidllt Helicopter Company and that he cleared
the area with the ARVN liaison officer and granted CFT Schweitzer permission
to Eid initial fire near the area, CFT Uzanski also testified that he
wv saw mua: flashes from weapons in a dike line firing at the "low bird", He
further testified that all rules of engagement were observed and that none of
his team unnecessarily expended ordnance (EXHIBIT BLUE TAB G and RED TAB B-9).
21. Aspirant Do Huu Cong, S-3 section, 25th ARVN Division, testified that he
was accompanying CPT Uzanski in the "C and CV helicopter on 18 May 1971. He
identified the aerial photograph (EXHIBIT TAB H) as being the correct area and
stated he did not clear the area as a free fire zone or authorize Teconnaissan
by fire, but granted permission to "fire when attacked by the enemy. Fe cor-
roborated testimony received from CP! Usanski concerning radio transmissions
Teceived from the "low bird" and stated his primary reason for being in that e
was to observe the area since his unit planned operations in that area in the
near future (EXHIBIT RED T4B B-10),
22, WO Richard F. Smail, 229th Assault Helicopter Company, Hirot of the "C a
0" helicopter gave testimony essentially the same as CPT Usanski. Ee stated,
that although he did not personally see any GAF, that the evasive actions
of the "low bird" and the rise in the inflections of the voice during commm
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SUBJECT: Report of
Kroon, 100 sotigation Concerning Pixtng Tnotdent,/docident of
iron, 9th Cavalry, in the Republic of Cambodia (U)
indicated the "low bira® vas
arproxinately 135 to gy fi eCoLvIng CAP. VO Smid further stated thal te flov im
So s oach month on similiar rlesions and that ho saw
1g unusual occur during this mission (EXHIBIT RED TAB B-11).
23. 0i2 Roger R. Sant:
2, : . Santo, 229th Assault Helicopter Company, Bo-pilot on the
de plied Soul mot identify tho ben fron the aerin)
on
om radio transmissions, Fe
7 feria stated, that sinco the, helicopter wag making left turns he was unable ,
w dpigere elites of valuef that would assist in the investigation (EXHIBIT
2. SE, Danald I. Morehouse, 229th Assault Heldcopter Company, the crew chief
on the %C and CY helicopter festified ho could not identify the area from the
aerial photograph of the area and stated he was unable to make any contribution
toward the investigation because he participated in so many missions he could
not Tocall any periieulare of this mission (BNIEIT RED TAB B-13).
25. SH, Dale L. Howell, 229th Assault Helicopter Company, was the gunner on
thé C and 0" helicopter and vas unable to recall any of the particulars of
the incident. (EXHIFIT RED TAB B-14)
26. CHa Davin G. Nolaughlin, 4/1-9 Cavalry, had departed the commnd, However,
ho furnished a statement to MAJ Rafferty on 29 May 1971, in which he stated
‘that he received a briefing on station and replaced "white" which was the “low
bird" flown by CPD Knight that originally reported taking GAF. C2 Mclaughlin
stated he Informed his "high bird" to hold fire as the ARVN Rgnggre were on
tho station zeady to be inserted. He stated that the ARVN Vére inserted amd
recom toridhyty fire, but that he stopped them before thoy reached the rain avea
of interests Ye further stated that the ARVN Rangers met no Tesistance, grabbed
what they could, and were extracted. He reported Seeing vOURQTS Civilians and —
v it intention of picking up one wounded girl but that
she vas already dead (OHTA BIE NE Ie
27. SB, Len J. Shattuck, A/1-9 Cavalry, was the gunner on the "low bird" pilot-
od by Gi2 McLaughlin. He testified the ARVN Rangers appeared melodramatic when
_they were inserted pinion fired excessively in the area) however,
he did not observe anyone engaged by their small arms fire. He stated that
there were approximately 15 wounde 1 in the avea and tha he observed
7 males 50-60 years of age, and one female 8-10 years of age, er appeared to
bo dead. He refused to answer when questioned if the aircraft No vas in land-
ed to attempt to evacuate the wounded. SF HFTington, A/L9 favalry, the
ther Tiomber of The alroraft orew,had departed the comnand¥vas mot available
for questioning (EXHIBIT BLUE TAB Q and RED T4B B-15).
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ostigation Conc
A Tro erning Firing Incident/Accident of
97, 1st Squadron, 9th Cavalry, in the Beperaic or nsSta (1)
28. CFT Thomas S, Agnes, 4/1-9
as the Tilot ana Gis gape agg CtVALYs testified that on 18 Vay 1971, he
a 80 Billa, uho'han departed the comand, was the co
r the. eros enn aa a portion of the ARVN Ranger Team that was inserted in rene
< 4/15. he ure ho, foam vas accompanied on the grouwd by CFT Ammo H, Brooks,
Blasion in th nearty ren to. obtite Erle ToT OE TN te eh
25th ARVN Divito Fomsere Taal i fadivitul Tor urtioning ty she ol
“perforn the TenatohT in the contact area. CFT Agnéss stated the AVI ancers
“Eiger 4 FON a POF and placed hin on board 418 VEL vith his hands tied and then
he tean proceeded through the area. Ho stated the tean met no resistances. tis
CFT Agness stated ho did not observe any desd or wounded personnel but did = ued
. Fossa a sadia 10 evacuate a wounded girder Me denied rh Trstrvon\
ions of GFT Brooks aa fully loaded vith the ARVN Ranger Teun, end:
cape 8 = i low on 1. He also testified bo the ARVN Rangers
rar rs mal) arm (XE
SEPLuTed PAT abandoned, ono Gla type widentified small arn (SUSI BLUE Ti
29. SP, Gary T. Grawey, A/1-9 Cavalry, testified he was the crew chief on
the UHL helicopter, flown by OPT Agness, that carried Captain Amol H,
Brooks and the ARVN Ranger Team into the area. He further teatified that.
CFT Br o "hog wila® when they deplancd shooting
Hp the area although they received no return five. SP Grawey stated he aid
Lf... not ses CET Brooks or the ARVN Rangers engage personnel with their small
#7 farms, but!&hat in the course of events he did observe 5 to 10 Cambodian _
sonnel that appeared to be wounded, but that he did not know if they were
onde ro stron gro ri To, SF, Gravey further testified that tha ARVN
Rangers, accompanied by CPT Brooks brought back a motorcycle which was later ¥
given to ITC Putnam,and that he hud observed LTC Fitnam operating the motor—
cycle on Di An Post (EXHIBIT BLUE TAB S and RED TAB B-17). N eT
30. SP} Howard M. Dumn, 4/1-9 Cavalry testified he vas the gunner on the UHL,
P1own by CPT Agness, that inserted the ARVN Ranger tean,and phat he saw CFT
Brooks accompany the team into the area, He also testified to the capture
of the detainee, his observing some 10-15 wounded Cambodians, and the extra 0)
and disposition of the motorcycle (EXEL BLUE TAB T and RED TAB B-18).
i.
31. GFT John T. Liberg, an AHIG pilot, A/1-9 Cavalry, testified that he V
Teplaced CPT Schweitzer on station as the "nigh bird" for the hunter-killer
‘ean, He stated that he saw nothing out of the ordinary about this mission
and did not expend any ordnance in the area, CF Liberg testified that the area
had been cleared as a free fire area, Ho did not see any wounded individuals
in the area,but did witness the ARVN "Brown Tean! leaving the area with ducks,
chickens, cigarettes, and a IaTge quARTIty of combs. He also saw CPT Bracks
: ie motorcycle back to the airer Since that time he has seen this
motorcycle Tn the pofsession of TNC Pitman, (EXGIEIT BIVE TAB O and RED TAD 5-19
32. OFT Thomas T. Cappone, vas the co-pilot for the AHIG Cobra aircraft piloted
by CPT Iiberg, A/1-9 Cavalry. CPT Cappone substantiated the testimony of
OPT Liberg, but did not add anything of significance to it. (EXHIBIT BLUE TAB
P and RED T4B B-20). on 4
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23. SP, Rudolph Koods Jr., crew chief, 4/1-9 Cava: eotified s do
foe oF TAT Ig Thy et AL dud, torsion ua ie doe
A Etat nm ated She IR
. SP Kol notice ual at o
arom Tan" insortion; fovover, he aid note that upon extraction the teen yas ©
aa: Chickens, oom, “tobacco, writ: r, and-a-elvidian—rmato,~
EE TER Ete ees Se TG Putman
2i2irs oT sis mitovere BLE T43 U and RD 143 8-21).
34. Major Richard A. Chilcoat, Troop Commander, A/1-9 Cavalry testified that
hs troop alvays carried an ARVN Maison officer aboard the "C and CV aircraft
each tino they went on an ARVN support mission into Cambodia, It was the
Job of this ARVN INO to define the aren that vas to be worked and obtain the
nocessary clearances to fire. Major Chilooat stated that it vas common know-
ledge to everyone that US, personnel were not allowed on the ground in
BE iE ane
oF some such thing, He ‘Stated this had been emphasized inmmerable times at
briefings, Major Chilooat was at Tay Ninh when the ARVN Erown Team deplaned
the aircraft and noticed that they had chickens, a radio, combs, and tobacco.
He also testified oe aa tool possession of a motoreyele fron OFT Beacks atthe
~f=tleld and ater prodented this motoreyole to LIC Fines ot & hall and faeuen)
party, ? Major Chileoat got tHe créWs LogethsT WoW They Bad returned from This
particular mission and discussed it with them. At that time it was almost
unanimously agreed upon that there was a lot of Irdiscriminate TirThg ty The
ARVN "Brown Team" upon their insertion and that this firing had caused the
civilian casualities. later on That same SvemInE, Major Chilcoat conducted
another neetine—wi the pilots Involved, enatieceived another impression at
"high bird" after the "low bird" had taken fire, co have caused the civilian <
cagualities. No one saw the ARVN "Brown Tewm" members engaging civilians, Major
Chilcoat stated that the normal procedure for handling captured material was
followed in all cases, with the exception of the motorcycle. It was not followed
in this particular case because it was "an effort to build some, not build, but
maintain some ekprit, just more or less as a presentation to the Squadron |
Comander. since! this vas the last day of operations for the Squadron", lajor
Ciilooat testified that he had told the officers of his troopat an officers *
call about three days prior to this mission, that he would like to get a motor-
cycle for the Squadron Commander. At this time he made it clear that it had to
bo enemy equipment or taken as a result of a contact. Major Chilcoat stated that
he believed that the motorcycle was taken from the building where all the other
bicycles were located in the area of contact (EXHIBIT BLUE TAB B, BLUE TAB C
and RED T4B B-22).
35, SP5 Michael L. Williams (EXHIBIT BLUE T4B E), end SP5 Dennis E., Holzen
(EXHIBIT BLUE T4B F) and SP Steven C. Koelle (SXHIEIT BLUE TAB V) 811 fron
A Troop, 1st Sqd, 9th Cav., were not present when the incident took place
and could not contribute to this investigation,
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MACTRTG
SUBJECT: Report of Tnvastigation o
an enceming Firing Tnotdent/Acotdont
3 4 F008, 18% Sauadron, Sth Gevaley, bn Lhe Bevemnie ot Sombetta (0)
36. MSG Doung Van Van, the ARVN ve;
ron Toan” platoon leader, or um
; itm, SITE S80 TL rom tot ton seer ai or an
of the firing incident mooident, Ea SE ga 5 doad men’ 1n the asen aroma i
Lomita ne SE a dai
ag siuien: Ho further stated there na mo abandgied pduipment snd Shat he
s © bieycles vere of communist mae beseuse Shite roar ors n
TO Gena thr nin 2 cmmies mks beoserithtte intent penile
ho US Army Captain that lead them on tho assilt, in removing a” blue’ motos
velo from the battls field (EXHIBIT RED TAB Bi23). |
27. CPT Amold H, Brooks, A/1-9 Cavalry had been sypgquently transferred to
Fort Knox, Kentucky. In Tosponse to the investigate officer's request
£ the Jnepector General, Fort knox, Co a83tet in he ArvestiEa pe
{F. BrooksuGestified that ho or Chilooat had discussed ol ig-a_ar
vehicle fof a trophy, but that hie did not consider this to have the force of
one gin ta 5 Et testified thutho accompanied the ARVN Erowm
‘oan on thie round in Cambod: B He Jew 1t vas again: Fo {
rr pe Ee RI a ee
some Cambodians civilians with superficial flesh vounds, end, some destroyed
motorcycles, and bloyoles., Ho stated he did not see the ARVN Brown Team
Sranayort thy proprty wie, Tron’ tho aren, a siased Frey sssistod him 1n
Tonoving the motores otter er orosented to
Putnam. GPT Brooks furfher stated he considerod the motorcycle a var trophy
and a1d not, consider he vas stealing it, Fe further stated he reported the
motorayele among the captured and destroyed material (EXHIBIT RED T4B B-2 and
EXHISIT BLUE TAB N).
38. 2IT Nguyen Van Fay, an observer from the ARVN 25th Infantry Division,
testified that he accompanied CFT Amold K. Brooks on the grownd in Cambodia
in the vicinity of WU 521048 on 18 May 1971, He stay JRL vas devastated
bry $hat he\(6nly observed 2 men about 40 years ola 1 were lightly wounded.
He Stebed—, d1d not observe any dead or wounded WAAC soldiers, Fe further
stated thay dotained one Inatvidual and took bir to She 9th ARV Reglasntel
Hoaaquasters, 2 Srwen-Yem tay-ststodytiey Fils individual rovaaled that aout
200 NVA/VG, had been in this areas WII fay Stated the AUN Brow Team found 2
oten rifles used for training, aui-thot Hey destroyed 1 onda motorcycle
by shooting it up and bhat—the ARN Broun Toan, removed the Blue Su: or
CFT Brooks. 2LT Hay stated he did not see the ARVN Brown Team lobt any
civilian property. vHe statednbecause of the number of people versus the amount
of food in the area Ghat he Bolloved tmt this vas a VOAVA supply point) (EXHIBIT
RED TAB B-25).
V.(C). DISCUSSION.
39. On 18 May 1971, ITC Carl M, Putnam, Commanding Officer, 1-9 Cavalry, received
some information thatdistunbed him, concerning an alleged firing incident/accident
involving 4/1-9 Cavalry. The clan t/ucotent was reported as occurring on or
about 1200 hours 18 May 1971 in the vicinity of]
Republic of Cambodia, As a GONE id; A180 Putnam directed Major
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he neon Piring Inotdent/Accident
R092) Lat Sauadron, "oi Gomming Firing has Spmnodia (0)
fachard dh Setloont, Commanding ores v,
Tonemt oar, or? 1-9 Cavalry to submit nin a veitben
v eof the taal igs T Chtleont subareas veges report on 19
ra stant iets a totetatings opor o
Tnvistiaetice te fortimed a anaske, LAITLUELLEL SEER pertnent ma
,Jinvestigation to be (inducted by an officer from outside ne 4/1-9 Cavalry,
7 TEC Pron append Has HS SrEASeT fron out CrE1%er, 13 Oayatiy te
(oniuct an dnvestigation of th aiisges firing noldant/acidont om aed
{PLE TAB A). Tatar that suns mosis: #TH3-Ohoto-bogen- bo dnast patios
cl ee SCR A et Comsanding Ostio
25 Caradon rots ; S30p% iambors ot pe gE en drm
aval Eon sent Hneitetaty, iyo) es Officer, 10th
Combat Aviation Sroup, (CAG). appoint an investigabing orttecs from another
yinit, COL Sem tnatructed LIC Harbin A. Constance, Deputy Commanding Officer,
126°CiG, to ESE, In. Sonch vith MAS Janes R. Rafterty, Brsouim officer,
3-17 Cavalry,"¥s have him informally investigate the matter and prepare o
Jat shost wilh supporting. statensmys en oro ot Fern could base a decision
Of Whether a formal investigation sronnd conducted or-not, LIC Constance
relayed these instructions to Mig Rafferty, whose date estimated return from
overseas (DEROS) was 11 June 1971,
41. When MAT Rafferty arrived at 4/1-9 Cavalry and began his investigation
4.90 29 May 1971, he found MAJ Chole) had already taken statements from the wit-
nesses, MAJ Rafferty accepted these statements, again swore tho witnesses,
and questioned them concerning their $estimony, but did not record verbatim
Jostinony. Major Rafferty submitted his compyste report, dated 5 Juno 1971,
to COL Fern (BXHIEIT RED TAB 0).
42, On Teceiving MAJ Rafferty's report on 7 June 1971, COL Fern, whose DEROS
was 11 June 1971, did not approve MAJ Rafferty's recommendations, COL Fern
then brought the alleged firing incident /accident to ‘the attention of the
Commanding General, Third Regional Assistance Comnand (TRAC) during the even-
ing of 7 June 1971, He stated ho was not satisfied with toh investigation, or
¥orea to hab effect. Tho Ohlef. of Staff instructed Lig hopory oo Clark,
Stalf Judge Advocate, TRAC, to review the report of investigation St had
boon submitted to COL Fom, LIC Clark reviewed the paper tar concurred vith
COL Ferns opinion that the imestigation was mot surtiiens to Clark
Sopomended 10 the Chief of Staff, TRAC, that the Inoident to forunr investi-
gated, preferably by an officer from Headquarters TRIG.
43. The Chief of Staff, TRAC, designated [126 Sok v. Mantooth,) Deputy Inspector
Jeneral, TRAC, as the investigating officer on T0 June 1971, and personally
inforned the TRAC investigating officer, that the Comanding General, TRAC
desired a thorough investigation of this incident. and thatthe investigating
missions. -
CONE yan owas,
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Katy:
SHiTEGT: Report of.
SECs ‘eatigation Concerning Firing Inotdent/Accident; of
A 2000, 1st Squadzon, 9th Cavalry, in ume Bepmi iceident of 1)
4 Tho previous dnfornal investigation, performed by ¥ajor Tazes R. Rafferty,
ecutive Qiioer, 3-17 Cavalry, ua 50 beter and wneraroosions tot et aT
Investigating Officer immediately contacted MAJ Rafferty; who wns out Thocons
A Eimear
1 Rafferty, va davolved dn an abtenpt,to conceal information pertaining be tho
investigations Questioning revealed thes way Rafferty, had received instructions
zelayed ty, LTC Constance, which viewed An metxoapeot, re confusings Iithensh
4g Rafferty used AR 1504 asia guide, he did mot attenpt to perform an inves
| Heation of the thoraughnass xequtzed ty tho Tegulation, nor did ho anticipate,
[ In view of his instructions, that COL Fem¥yould later interpret 16 as being
| 2 Sgmplete davostigabion. | 1G Constance later corroborated HAJ Rafertyia
| + astEtion that ha had mot boon apnised that a thorough formal inyasbipiiion
7 Yas dosized, 110 Constance algo agreed that the instructionsuhen vieved in
Zebrospectytiora confusing, ssdlStated HAY 1a the Tesh Of activity of gebiing
~ COL Fem cleared for DERQS otc, that they had forgotten the exact instructions
passed ho Major Rafferty. |
| 45. ginning on 11 Jue 1971, the TRAC investigating officer had all known
| ¥ltnesses, that still remained in Vistnan recalled and ipitisted g completo
[ investigation of the allaged firing incijent/aceident)”ucotiontin, them on
| Previously submitted statements, pte additional "evidence, shd taking hed
vorbatin testimony, hErmonshondbhe—investisatiof the investigating officer's
“activities were closely coordinated with the S74, TRACK facause of tho, veTvans
(nature of the incidenty 5 HA rink ms
46. Questioning of tho witnesses revealed that on or about 1230 hours, 16 Yay 1971,
in the vicinity of URMICHIANCOGIAINAtes WUS21048] Republic of Cambodih, members
of Mi Cavalry, dorking as a hunter-killer tean,were conducting a visual
~ reconnifssance mission, at pres toe toureg J the est
of their Enon or an area in which recénissands by fire
Was permitted, Aotording to testimony of US personnel, tho avea had heen slcared
by, tlio ARVN 25th Division INO, @spivant Do Haw Comp, fAspivent Cong dented
’, i By a 6" and stated that the Americans. automatic
. ally returned fire when they rece: fj GAF. Aopiant—Bomys—command—of—tire
Serena vor Sete) HLthough ho vas responsible for interpreting,
granting clearances, and vorking with the US. personnel supporting and coordina
§ing tha mission of ‘the 25th ARVN Division, print Come Lommaud oF Hhe Eyl
Ang 42 was very Lim ied,
47, "The b/1=9 Cavalry, huterskiller team vas composed of a "low Bra",
06d, Light Olsexvation Helicopter, flown by GPT Clifford L, Fight, ami
i carried 2 orev members: SH, Vernon J. Gregory, the observer, and SF, John S.
IMoholes, the guuner. The Vhigh bird", AHIG, Attack Eelicopter, commonly
~ luo as a Cobra vas flown by CPT Bentley C. Humphrey and vas commanded by
CFT David P. Sohveitzer, Also assisting in the mission vas a UHL utility
helicopter, known as the Command and Control, "Ciand C", flown by {OL Rihard
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SURECT: Report of Investigation Concern Firing Incident/Accident of
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4. Smasd, (85-pllotod: by. G2 Rodger Re-Santos The crew chief was SEL Donald
Lu Morhiiepfand the. gunes vas Sik Dale Ty Hotels: ALL vere penvers of 4
_ 29th dsqfi1t Helicoptor Company. Tho mission commander, CFF Tnonas. da Upfibot, [
4/1-9, Cavalry, vasa Passenger. on board the. "C and C' aa’ vas the 25th ARTA
Division Liaison Officer, Aspirant Cong.
4€+ During recamaissnce ‘through a small group of build-
is idingenc on menios, HMI R ay Cal Coutp of Pull
Moy ay nunflerous partially concealed bicyclesy and motorcycles, somcsf
hick Someta ral lars and ‘packs. Tho appearance of the Lions aroused she. Mov
bird" crouts suspicion and they motioned, from the helicopter, for the
individuals in the area $o open.up the packs on these vehicles. ito is a com
zenly employed oesiilliammsing to Shatin" 3 rer on the grow
. in the area did not comply and started moving away from the area,and looking
back tovard the buildings in a suspicious manner. OFT Knight,from the "low
bird" called CPP Schweitser, in. the "high bird", and requested he place probing
fire moar the area in an attempt to. force into’ action any enemy personnel that
| might. be ini the areas and to cause any civiliang, in the area to move out. The
| "high bird" nade a pass and. placed 2 white phostprous rockets in an open field
| about, 50 yards south of the buildings. Tho: Mot bird" proceeded back into. tne
area,Foportod wecsiving ground to air fire (GAF), and then requested the area
be attacked. Armed helicopters are required to defend their members in accord-
A ance with annex C paragraph 2f(5) MACV Directive 525-13, 1 May 1971 (EXHIBIT
5 RED TAB K). The "low yt ‘took evasive action, departing the area while
# similtanecusly reporting, it had taken GAF, although it did not receive any hits.
yi The "high bird" then came in and rocketed and strafed the buildingg and surrounding
area with appronipgtsly 15 # 18 rounds of high explosive rockets ahd mac-
hine gun fireJ ‘the roof off one large building and sotéing, it on
. fire, along with some other thatched roof, structures in the area. Tn the
process several bicycles and motorcycles were destroyed and more were reveal-
ed in the buildings. Approximately 6 adult males, and 1 female and 1 male
sub teenage children were either killed or very seriously wounded, aang 15-20
other personnel were wounded or gave. the. appearance of being wounded by the
aerial rocket attack, The "low bird" then returned to the area for battle
Damage Assessment (EDA), reported the above results, and spotted one addition-
ally rv age mls attanting to seek cover ty Hlusing into» Jytlding. The
om gunner, SP} Nicholes, machine-gunned the building toiich he was
« fleeing apparently killing the individual as he fell part cut and part in the
+ building he had reached, Shortly after this, the "low bird" departed the
station because of low fuel bi replaced by another QHOA "low bird" flown
by D2 Davin G, Mclavghling: crew chisf, wes SP, Odell Harrington)and
b= $F, Ien J. Shattuck, the Gunter, 411 were members of A4/1-9 Cavalry.
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48h Bangor Go "00neL8HnE of agmmostiasedy 50 ninth inserts Sho AST,
SeBtact, but. on o giterio Yer Helicopter homo th vicinity of the
fl Bart of pa jem erent mission at the tines One wi helicopter, ing
! Pliotod ty Gia moun Bean, wan comands or a nls” Aenosay AEE
Sumer vag Sy esses Baits, ng are chief, wes SP Gary T. Gravey, ‘the
Dur Gp Oh J Ges Tho scbond UR
Felicopter was piloted hy Ho teks Jackson, the poy hie as 55 meter
Covas and tho gunner vas S24 Steves G. otha) BEL Tombora of 4/1-9
alive: The ARVN Brown Tosn, Vgc mar acconpani®d by a US Army Captain,
Anold. Hu Brooks, Troop: Operatisny Officer, A/ics Cavalry, was orginally on
on oBagle PUGhtd ith the mission to aes individual for questioning,
This team wag diverted to the contact area and inserted. arten ‘the. Janding z0ne
tho Prepared with suprression fine by CO Sehweliser iu tho high bird", Tn
! ‘the Process, CPT Schveitzer fired. so close to one of the UH1A helicopters carrying
rert of the ARVN Brown Team, that, the helicopter was forced to £0 around
Baan pefore landing, CF! Sohuaitsor stated hia Tosket tubes ware net correctly
bore sighted. At this point CPT Schweitzer returncd to Tay Ninh for fuel and
i was replaced i tiagion by another AHIG "high bird" bei] yo John 2
Liberg jand (Cf Thaodore I. Capone, the—domptioty both of A/1-9 Cavalry. They
expended nf ordaance,
20. lihon the ARVN Brow Team members deplaned from their helicopters they
~~ ongaged, to the mximm capability of ‘their individual weapons, ail objects on
or near’the landing sone that. could afford cover ou. someeitennt. 40.an enemy.
This tactical procedure gave the appearance of reckless firing and melotramtics
bo some of the US personnel, especially since no return fire wos Tossived, To
person questioned, concerning this incident, at any time saw an on Bee
Team member, or. fe Army I meh Sv smal ad
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ee BT fu yy Sobiaiy ini therrockebed:asea that
- ambulatory, ad. moved pth ot the immedigto area before or during Sree
re "high bird, (es +7;,30m8 of the replacement Sl 5
kok, bE fhe "high birdl, db, ae
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2 Len J. Shattuck estimated Soprosiestely 3 Lid ee in tae been, ignded.
area to a
Rial i es Tho, ARTY Brown Teen mone a abick sweep
of the area, encountered no, resistance,and departed with the items they had
looted. iso
ON on hank IS Ming 171,
51, MAJ Richard A, Chilcoak, Commpning Officer, A/1-9 Cavalry, ad expressed
a desire to the officers of
to LTC Carl M, Putnam,
a captured motorcycle, or motor bike, for Bamgyon to os Le Ss
Sauadzon, Coppgpger, 1.9 Cavalsy, during oT ;
fete the! B® This
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P, 15t Squasee, Faing Firing Moident/Acoident of
This, OXEronsed. dans Ms 9th Cavalry, in the Repuniis of Gembossa (0)
Te of uy
Sebloted as being a wu Chtloont, mioubtedty tntiuenced crt Brooks, who us
; nally tg riodies a aioghgEressive, und highly motivates officer Yeinten~
0d £0 wooden te, Bros Fler prohibiting US ground troops in’ Cambodia,
Of the rocietar ail oy oun Tean which looted the buildings and grounds ’
Tadios, (elvilian ayers UN Brown Tau took chickens, ducks; siviiies
watnces STE sales’ hg from the area,and a quantity of combs, tobacco, and
Blue Suztict Pitan Std that had bebn damaged, OFT Brocke brown pack a
arproximtaty eorele; SN KIO 52-3964, in a good state. of sepeie. art
£00k possegsyon” lol), kilometers , registered on the odometer. MAJ Shilemat
Subsequently on OF the motorcycle, with knowledge of how it was obtained, and
ly presented it to LIC Putnam at the stand down party.
52. LTC Putnam accepted the mot
pezated the unregistered vehicle
ok fon pS RS gel een
Teglstering the vehicle as a privafoly owned conveyance, or a var trophy. In
the course of events that followed, INO Bytnan realized pis position in
the incident was vulnerable to criticism, Hig aleo learnedylie could not register
the vehicle, The motorcycle was then turned ‘into the S-2, 12th CAG, on 12
June 1971, where it vas processed as captured war material, and disposed of
under the provision of MACV Directive 381-24.
53. Operational reports of this incident were submitted 1£1305H May 1971, to
the Tactical Operations Center, TRAC, and a delayed report submitted on
11 June 1971,, to the Combined Operations Center, Military Assistance Command
Vietnam, under the provision 6f MACV Directive 335-12, dated 20 September 1970,
VI.(C). CONCLUSIONS.
54. On 18 May 1971, members of 4/1-9 Cavalry,while fen authorized aerial
reconnaissance mission in support of the ARVN 25th Infantry Division in the
vicinity of UDM Grid Coordinates WU 521048, Republic of Cambodia, killed
approximately 6 military age males, 2 sub-teenage children, and Wounded 15-20
Cambodian civilian personnel by aerial rocket and machine gun fires
55, The OH6A helicopter, flown by CPT Clifford L. knight, the "low bird" of
4/1-9 Cavalry, "Hnter-Killer" team, received ground to air fire from ome
or more locations within the area of the firing incident accident and requested
that fire $e be placed on the location,
36. The ARVN Rangers used standard suppressive fire techniques during insertic
In the area that nay have been excessive, considering the conditions ab the
tine, but did not cause casualities with’ their individual weapons.
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. SUBJECT: Report of
Kegon, 1m eobieation Songerning Firing Tnottant/Accidort, of
| oe uadron, 9th Cavalry, in the Republic of Cambodia (U)
/ 57. The ARVN Rang
| miittary materia on i o0ed the erea of the firing incident/acoident of non—
%°f an undeternined value, for their personal use.
A 58. AUS Army Ca
y tain, Amold H, Brooks, A/1-9 Ca Led the ARVN
Rangers on thy peneniny . Brooks, 4/1-9 Cavalry, accompanied the
Can of sf rs
of whieh he har on poz, e501 in viclatlon of stunting ore
OFT Arnold H. Brooks looted a blue Suzuki motorcycle, SN KIO 52-3984,
om the area of the firing incident/accident.
60. CPT Arnold H. Brooks ed desire
3 i actions vere probably due to an expressed desire
mde by his commanding officer, MAJ Richard A. Chilcoat, to obtain a motorbike
v for presentation to the Squadren Commander during the unit's stand down.
61. MAJ Richard A. Chilcoat took possession of the looted motorcycle and
subsequently presented it to LIC Carl 4. Putnam.
62, LIC Carl M, Pubnan accepted the looted motorcycle, retaining and operating
ton Di in Post while attempting to register it as a privately cuned conveyance
or a war trophy.
VIII.(U) RECOMMENDATION.
63. It is recommended that:
a. This report be approved and forwarded through chamnols to Headquarters,
Military Assistance Command Vietnam, in accordance with MACV Regulation 20-4.
b. That consideration be given to informing the Commanding General IIT
ARVN Corps, of the conduct of members of the ARVN "Erown Team".
c. 4 copy of this investigation be furnished to the Commanding General,
34 Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile), for appropriate action and a
reply to the Commanding General, HQ TRAC, as to the action taken. ¥
GON:
“Brooks Incident,” Final Summary
by the Vietnam War Crimes Working
Group, May 1, 1972
EXCERPTS FROM AN EXCLUSIVE ARCHIVE OF U.S.
MILITARY DOCUMENTS COMPILED BY THE INTERCEPT
CONFIDENTIAL
CAS OF 1 May 197
219. 5w0oks mere TED
Liscaon: 1. Excessive bomburaneo, vy
3 age of a Cambor
5) Violation of tha sures illase.
SUBJEGI/SUSTECTS: 1. 170 Carlo. Cpe hy
SUBJEGT/SUSPECIS: 1. axl C. Putnam
20 MAT Richard Chilooues eb ah Srols O8Y Div.
3. GFT Arnold K. Brooks, sams wpe 1°F CV DL.
40 GPT Clitsord 1. Riper mooie:
5. CPT David B, ‘Schweitses, save unit
6. CPT thionds C. Uzanski, Same wnit
7. 8P4 John S41 Nicholes, same unit.
CONPLATNANT: CO, 1/9¢h Cav, lst Cav Div.
BACKGROUND (C): ‘A US helicopter "hunter-killer" team, vhile on a vious
Toconnaissance mission over Cambodia on 18'May 71, engaged a builtee
area with excessive fire power. A ground reconnaissance condueted by an
ARVN platoon which was Inserted by helicopters followed the aerial attack.
The aerial atcack and ground recon resulted in several Cambodians being
killed and wounded, and one male being detained for interrogation.
Members of the ARVN platoon and a US CPT, who accompanied the platoon,
retained property removed from the village vhen they were extracted.
k STATUS/PROGNOSIS (GC): Investigation completed; substantiated.
An davestigation UP AOU Dix 20-4 was conducted an the ropults foriarded
to HQ, DA. The investigation revealed that on/8 fay 71, / helicopter
huneer-killer team from Trp A/L/9th Cay vas of wvisuei-Fecon mission in
Cambodia. Crew members of the LOH helicopter observed a number of motor
cycles and bicycles with packs near a small village which they suspected
was an enemy ‘convoy. Visual indicators were given to the villagers to
3 open the packs for inspection. Ordnance was fired near the village to
dray fire and force the inhabitants into the open for observation after
they did not comply with the request. On a subsequent pass the pilot of
the LOH heard gunfire behind him and notified the gunship that he was
taking fire. The mission GO in the comand and control (C&C) helicopter
y saw muzzle flashes of automatic fire from a dike 100 meters south of the
village and so advised the cobra gunship, which fired rockets at the dike
i and at buildings near it, The gunner aboard the observation helicopter
E engaged various targets in the village i gun fire. Gunship
3 preparatory Eire preceded the landing of an ARVN platoon, which had been
| diverted from another mission. A US CPT accompanied the platoapyon the
| ground in violations of standing orders. The troops, reconnottering by
|. fire, did not search bunkers for enemy forces, nor were enemy weapons of
|: other war materiel found, One wounded Cambodian male was taken aboard an
aircraft for interrogation at the base camp. Civilian casualties were
p estimated at eight dead, including two children, 15 wounded, and three or
four structures destroyed, There is mo evidence that che wounded were
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rovided medical treatment by either US or an
eporced friendly casualties. Other than the morse gril fo8 mo
hoard by the pilot of the LOW, there appears to fuse pei ind to alr fire
ee. che! toviit ve natieoptor worn. horn, t eve Sens wo ovis Drees
fia eEecTats wha Letos qoencinims aomiezs of the BRYN platen Seutlles
tobacco, poultry, and radfos, and the US GPT returned to dhe mimes
th
F Letng on the ground approxinately 30 minutes. The motorsycre a tie
ted to the Sqdn CO vho, after several days, requested an investigss ios of
the incident and turned in the motoreycle fo a maintensnce sollebring
Ee Tin I ves eee Dereety seston ns pe re
ally, ers of reprimand were issued to LTC Putnam and MAJ Chilcoat for
thelr actions and/or TRATEIONS concerning This Tneldmi, Courcomavetel
charges preferred against CPT Brooks were dismissed by CG US Amy Amor
and Tratning Center Fort Knox, XY on 21 April 1972. The CC, Ft Kaox,
however, gave CFI Brooks an administrative letter of reprimend for his
actions, No action was taken against the other subjects:
WIINESSES: Members of Trp A/L/3th Cav, 1st Gav Div.
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INITIATED BY WHOM: CO, 1/9th Cav.
RESPONSE T0 INITIATOR: CO, 1/Sth Cav was. interviewed.